Where has true democracy gone?

Currently reading an interesting Paper on the search for True Democracy written by Roger Peach, where the writer traces the concept and practice of ‘democratic governance’ from its roots in the history of Athens, around 500 years BC, through to the present bastardization of the concept, a flagrant display of which is currently being played out inside the crumbling limestone of the Palace of Westminster.

Not only did the ‘Greeks have a word for it’, they also had a clever device ( a ‘kleroterion‘ to ensure impartial ‘fair play’ in the selection of their officials..

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kleroterion in the Ancient Agora Museum (Athens)

In governancesortition (also known as selection by lotallotment, or demarchy) is the selection of political officials as a random sample from a larger pool of candidates,[1] a system intended to ensure that all competent and interested parties have an equal chance of holding public office. It also minimizes factionalism, since there would be no point making promises to win over key constituencies if one was to be chosen by lot, while elections, by contrast, foster it.[2] In ancient Athenian democracy, sortition was the traditional and primary method for appointing political officials, and its use was regarded as a principal characteristic of democracy.[3]

Today, sortition is still commonly used to select prospective jurors in common law-based legal systems and is sometimes used in forming citizen groups with political advisory power (citizens’ juries or citizens’ assemblies).[4]

Athenian democracy developed in the 6th century BC out of what was then called isonomia (equality of law and political rights). Sortition was then the principal way of achieving this fairness. It was utilized to pick most[5] of the magistrates for their governing committees, and for their juries (typically of 501 men). Aristotle relates equality and democracy:

Democracy arose from the idea that those who are equal in any respect are equal absolutely. All are alike free therefore they claim that all are free absolutely… The next is when the democrats, on the grounds that they are all equal, claim equal participation in everything.[6]

It is accepted as democratic when public offices are allocated by lot; and as oligarchic when they are filled by election.[7]

In Athens, “democracy” (literally meaning rule by the people) was in opposition to those supporting a system of oligarchy (rule by a few). Athenian democracy was characterised by being run by the “many” (the ordinary people) who were allotted to the committees which ran government. Thucydides has Pericles make this point in his Funeral Oration:

“It is administered by the many instead of the few; that is why it is called a democracy.”[8]

The Athenians believed ‘sortition’ to be democratic but not ‘elections’[5] and they used these complex procedures – with purpose-built allotment machines (kleroteria) – to avoid the corrupt practices used by oligarchs to buy their way into office. According to the author Mogens Herman Hansen the citizen’s court was superior to the assembly because the allotted members swore an oath which ordinary citizens in the assembly did not and therefore the court could annul the decisions of the assembly. Both Aristotle[5] and Herodotus (one of the earliest writers on democracy) emphasize selection by lot as a test of democracy,

“The rule of the people has the fairest name of all, equality (isonomia), and does none of the things that a monarch does. The lot determines offices, power is held accountable, and deliberation is conducted in public.”[9]

Past scholarship maintained that sortition had roots in the use of chance to divine the will of the gods, but this view is no longer common among scholars.[10] In Ancient Greek mythology, Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades used sortition to determine who ruled over which domain. Zeus got the sky, Poseidon the sea, and Hades the underworld.

In Athens, to be eligible to be chosen by lot, citizens self-selected themselves into the available pool, then by lotteries in the kleroteria machines. The magistracies assigned by lot generally had terms of service of 1 year. A citizen could not hold any particular magistracy more than once in his lifetime but could hold other magistracies. All male citizens over 30 years of age, who were not disenfranchised by atimia, were eligible. Those selected through lot underwent examination called dokimasia in order to avoid incompetent officials. Rarely were selected citizens discarded.[11] Magistrates, once in place, were subjected to constant monitoring by the Assembly. Magistrates appointed by lot had to render account of their time in office upon their leave, called euthynai. However, any citizen could request the suspension of a magistrate with due reason.

With a hat-tip to Roger Peach for his excellent research.

Acknowledgment to Wikipedia for information on ‘sortition’ .

“Keep your eyeball peeled!”

Attached is a 13-page pdf, which lists every MP by Party and by their VOTE on 23.06.16 in the Referendum. It might have slipped your mind that there were several of David Cameron’s cronies who actually voted to LEAVE. Odd really, that none of those was invited to pick up the baton to complete what DC had so definitely promised to do for the electorate.

Now, we are being invited to trust that this latest liaison between Marmite Man and BoJo will take us where we LEAVERS believe we should be – away from and OUT of Brussels EU. The arrangement is simple, perhaps a bit simplistic, but it is this:

Tory incumbent in your constituency voted LEAVE – give him your vote.

Tory incumbent in your constituency voted REMAIN, check him/her out as to what she intends to do, and vote accordingly. There are 650 seats up for grabs, and NPF has said he will not ask a Brexit PPC to stand where the present Tory incumbent is a LEAVER.

Labour incumbent in your constituency voted LEAVE (I think there were just 10), check him/her out as to what she intends to do, and vote accordingly..

Labour incumbent in your constituency voted REMAIN, both Tory and Brexit voters will support the BREXIT PARTY candidate.

Footnote: Is the solitary SNP MP, who dared to vote LEAVE, still alive?

Where we find that any MP is tempted to renege , there should be serious consequences. No, it’s not ideal, but it gets us out and potentially puts many Brexit-hearted people on the green benches, where we are in a better position to hold BoJo’s feet to the fire.

12.11.19 – MPs Status – Complete on Brexit WA – Jan 2019

Why the BoJo Bill is not seaworthy..

This is just one reason why the present parliamentary puppets are running scared of the BREXIT PARTY – there are people on board who can actually think and talk sense waiting to take their places on those privileged green benches.

Do please READ, MARK, INWARDLY DIGEST and, above all, SHARE these 14 pages of clear analysis. If anyone knows the email address for that pompous beast, Andrew Marr, also send him a copy..

07.11.19 – Munish Sharma Analysis – Detailed – Nov 2019 

*’Nil desperandum carborundum’

How refreshing to hear this conversation! Of course, there is nothing here that we have not long suspected, and those of us who have ploughed our way through

            ‘The Great Deception’ – Booker & North – ISBN 978-1-4729-3966-1

that finely-crafted 615-page crime thriller, (itemizing for the first time the inside story of what has been the most audacious political project since the Trojan Horse) are already alert to the plot and its origins.

Right now, in the UK, we have the culmination of three years’ relentless grinding down, exceeding fine and small, of the indomitable British spirit. On a daily basis, we are hearing well-paid ‘journalists’ and ‘reporters’ pumping out the Brussels bilge, at times almost in a jocular way (because they imagine that this ‘leaving the EU’ decision has become a national pastime, and feel obliged to sugar the pill with laconic comments) to assure us that, in the end, we didn’t really MEAN to leave. How wrong they are. I know I have mentioned this before, but the booklet

                          ‘Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars’ – ISBN – 978-1-58509-380-9

serves well at this time to remind us that it has long been the intention of the rich to corral the sheeple into obedient submission. Do we suppose that the Intemperate Seven are not being guided by the same basic mantra.

All things considered, I refer you to Pages 2 & 3 of today’s Sunday Express. With a fake solution being peddled on Page 1, how good that this just happens to appear in the same edition. Don’t be shy, feel free to SHARE..


* Don’t let the b*****ds grind you down



Control without Authority

“When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty!”  Thomas Jefferson – USA President 1801 – 1809

When I began to read ‘The Great Deception’ by Christopher and Richard North, my mind was brought into focus. As far back as 1952, an inconspicuous little Frenchman, Jean Monnet, set out along the road of deception, determined to change European society for ever, and set the bar for the conspirators.

Now, 67 years on, with Boris Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson failing to either secure any sort of severance from the Brussels bullies or to ‘die in a ditch‘, those with any real understanding of the cunning which lies behind their bogus ‘High Command’ will choose to support the only Party which remains dedicated to a full and final departure.

As we are out and about, in these six valuable weeks, let’s remind the voters on the doorstep that the entire structure (tottering as it now is) was devised by extremely cunning minds – by deception and a plotted erosion of true democracy. Only one man has faced these people down in their own backyard for over 20 years, which is why I cannot now contemplate any half-baked ‘solution’ by the ‘elite’, who are patently squirming beneath the ‘Sword of Damocles’.

At any level of leadership, you cannot have control without authority; at national level, it is akin to fascism., and don’t even get me started on Qualified Majority Voting…

Remember, remember…

So, the great blond hope has now shown a different side to his blustering personality. He has presented to the nation a re-hashed version of the TM trap-deal, but with a fresh coat of lipstick. We, the great unwashed oafs, are by now meant to be so weary of parliamentary pantomime that we will finally sigh, succumb and swallow the bait.

How little he knows us. Just about as much as that other chump who slipped up and gave the green light for the Referendum choice in 2016.

As the scramble for places on hustings commences all over again, I ask you to bear these things in mind –

remember who it was who pestered David Cameron so much to get the Referendum vote in the first place;

remember who it was who stood for 20 years in the Brussels bogus ‘parliament’ facing down Monnet’s minions (it wasn’t a Tory, was it?)

remember who it was who arrogantly told Jeremy Corbyn to “go home, man!” because he despised both his dress and his policies (and who DID go home after that)

and then remember that Boris Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson is cut from the Clan Cameron cloth, and

remember to vote to honour Marmite Man’s battle to get the nation back on its feet. You may not like the soldier standing next to you, but, when bullets are being fired in anger, you’d give your life to save him for the cause – freedom from ‘The Great Deception’ of the ‘High Command’ in this Quiet War.


The Slog – Telling it as it is

Finally, it is time to finally lay to rest the myth that the 2016 Betty Chihuahua referendum was, in accepted British terms, a very close result.

In fact, it’s absolute validity is based on several factors.

  • At 72% turnout, it was the most inclusive poll for many years, and by far the biggest referendum in UK history
  • The Prime Minister of the day David Cameron made it crystal clear that the result was mandatory, not advisory….and over 80% of Westminster MPs supported that view
  • The outcome was that 1.3 million more Britons voted to Leave than voted to Remain in the European Union. That is the equivalent of everyone living in Birmingham and Glasgow combined.
  • But it’s when you use the FPTP constituency system so beloved of the 18th century Tories and 19th century Marxists that the full nature of the scale of the victory becomes clear. After all, surely what applies for regular general elections should also apply to once-in-a-lifetime hahaha referendums? Nearly two thirds of all Labour-held constituencies voted to leave. Nearly three quarters of all Conservative-held seats voted to leave. Three times more UK regions voted to leave rather than remain.
  • Spookily, just under three-quarters of all MPs voted to Remain. Just fancy that. Here are the numbers that prove it:


A clear majority of Scottish electors voted to Remain. But then, Scotland represents only 8.4% of the UK population, and a majority of Scots want to stay in the UK. The seats Scotland has in the UK Parliament are 9.6% of the total, and of course they have their own Parliament with devolved powers as well.

FACT: Britain has a Leave electorate, and a Remain Parliament. Parliament continues to use every wheeze at its disposal to revoke the People’s decision to leave.

With the usual hat-tip to JW for his incisive blogging!